# A Plan to Improve the World: 20 Rational Debate Advocates

**URL:** https://discuss.criticalfallibilism.com/t/a-plan-to-improve-the-world-20-rational-debate-advocates/1851
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**Created:** [July 15, 2023, 6:57pm UTC](https://discuss.criticalfallibilism.com/t/a-plan-to-improve-the-world-20-rational-debate-advocates/1851 "2023-07-15T18:57:03Z")
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### Author: ![ActiveMind](https://discuss.criticalfallibilism.com/user_avatar/discuss.criticalfallibilism.com/activemind/32/5560_2.png) [@ActiveMind](https://discuss.criticalfallibilism.com/u/ActiveMind)
#### Post date: [October 31, 2025, 5:52pm UTC](https://discuss.criticalfallibilism.com/t/a-plan-to-improve-the-world-20-rational-debate-advocates/1851/21 "2025-10-31T17:52:28Z")

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> [@Elliot](#):
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> People are welcome to start promoting CF epistemology or Paths Forward at any time. I wish people would do that more. There’s no need to get critical mass first. People getting started now is the best way to reach 20 advocates. Waiting until I attract 20 advocates without anyone else doing promotion may be very slow.

I’ve come across some situations where it would be fitting to promote ET/CF/PF, though I didn’t think it would turn into anything. I shouldn’t be so pessimistic about individual cases. There are better and worse places to promote but I don’t know whom it will reach and since most attempts convert no one, interesting even one person would be worth it. So I think it’s more about whether it looks appropriate to promote.

I’ve previously [said](https://discuss.criticalfallibilism.com/t/curiosity-specialist-creators-with-small-audiences/580/2) I wanted to power up more before doing a bunch of advocacy. But I don’t need to do lot in the beginning. While I’m a beginner, instead of actively seeking out opportunities I can take them as they come. I don’t think I need to save anything for when I’m more skilled either.

> [@Elliot's Microblogging](https://discuss.criticalfallibilism.com/t/elliots-microblogging/191/286):
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> > [@Elliot's Microblogging](https://discuss.criticalfallibilism.com/t/elliots-microblogging/191/285):
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> > I think what sets you apart the most is your actions, but I think you having come up with Paths Forward is more convincing than the typical anti-bias and rationality lip-service essay. At least that’s what I thought when I read about PF, hence me comparing you to Socrates.
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> I think if I say that to people myself it won’t work. But you can try! This seems like something where self-promotion is disadvantaged.

The opportunity I had in mind would involve comparing you to Socrates since the guy said there are probably no living honest truth-seekers like Socrates. And that if he was found then he should be studied.

> [@Elliot](#):
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> I don’t want to and should not micromanage advocacy or ghost write for it. That would essentially turn it into self-promotion by sock puppets or plagiarists. If I want to self-promote I can just do it myself which is better than using middle men for self-promotion. People need to act independently on their own initiative.
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> I can give some examples and general guidance and advice.

So I take you would not want to give feedback, rather give general advice. Would you not want to read examples or updates about our advocacy? Rather let us do it without your awareness? I guess it would be fine for us to share examples and discuss it amongst ourselves?

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