Conflict Between Skateboarder and Driver

That could be. It is a common idea that govts use traffic enforcement as a source of revenue, and I think that idea exists for a reason. For judging, it would be helpful to know what their like deliberative process is when selecting sites for cameras, what factors they consider. I wonder if someone has tried to FOIA that kinda stuff.

If you knew this already, why were you surprised when Elliot suggested you may be on the wrong side of the issue from a Libertarian perspective?

You indicate there that you had already seen the twitter screenshot of the tickets, so you knew what they were. But you seem actually surprised at Elliot’s suggestion, as if you don’t know any reasonable interpretation.

I actually think that might be part of it.

Who are the people being murdered? Are they mostly poor? Mostly non-white/ people of color?

If instead the exact same number of murders were happening to rich, white people, might the government do more about it? Put a bit more effort in?

What if the murders were happening to elected government officials and their families? Then might the government figure out how to do something?

I actually don’t think that trying in good faith to comply with speeding laws makes sense.

The actual law for speeding is that your speed should never exceed the posted speed limit. You can get a ticket for going even 1 mile per hour over the limit.

So making a good faith effort to comply with, say, a 25mph speed limit wouldn’t mean making a good faith effort to drive at 25mph. It would mean making a good faith effort to keep your normal driving speed low enough that your speed would never accidentally exceed 25mph. (And you can’t even set your cruise control at the exact speed limit, since cruise control tries to drive at the set speed, as opposed to not exceeding the set speed.)

I don’t think a meaningful pattern existing in this case requires that a bunch of independent judgments were made. (In fact, I think that the actual independent judgment that a cop should exercise regarding the enforcement of traffic stuff like speeding should be really limited, but I think that’d be a big tangent to go into in detail.) It does require some assumptions to be true, though. One assumption is that the traffic laws being enforced are somewhat reasonable. Another is that the means of enforcing them are reasonably effective at enforcing those laws (so, no super biased cops with an axe to grind against this guy; no bugs causing the cameras to spam him with traffic tickets unfairly). If either the traffic laws are unreasonable or the enforcement mechanism has some kind of big problem that’s relevant, then the data set is basically corrupted and we can’t use it to make some kind of useful judgment. But if those assumptions are true, then you would have repeated lawbreaking of a reasonable law that was reasonably and equitably enforced, which seems like a problem. Even with reasonable laws that are reasonably enforced (in general), you could have some sort of outlier error here or there, but 90 outlier errors for 1 guy seems unlikely. That’s how I was thinking about it, anyways. I expect you’ll have some sort of criticism or correction on some aspect of this, but figured going into more detail on my thought process would be helpful.

I think that govts partially use traffic enforcement as a revenue source, but also use traffic enforcement to stop dangerous behavior. So the way they use traffic enforcement is mixed. I think it’d be bad if traffic enforcement went to zero, because I don’t think it’s purely used as a revenue source, but also is used to stop dangerous behavior. So just stopping all traffic enforcement would not be a good reform in the public interest. So given that, at least part (I think a substantial part) of the enforcement of traffic laws is part of enforcing LAW AND ORDER.

There could be buggy software. BTW, I read that link carefully to figure out what was going on, since the headline in the onebox (which is what I read before clicking) was misleading and different than what actually appeared on the page (which was much more accurate). The issue was that some number of tickets (~1900) that should have been dismissed after 180 days weren’t, and most of those were erroneously sent to collections, which is different than the tickets having been erroneously issued in the first place. The 70k figure was the number of tickets that were stuck in some kind of queue due to a bug, and a subset of that 70k was sent to collections mistakenly.

Not really. I thought he came off super aggro in the video (so did the skateboarder, mind you - I did not like either of them) and so kind of judged him based on that. I didn’t know that the video was edited or that the skateboarder was some kind of skateboard martyr (per anonymous28’s post mentioning the skateboarder being willing to die as a martyr). I thought maybe the driver or or his gf (I forget who said what) was BSing about working.

Jeez :(

Well, they’re not clients for his organization at that point, so his attitude makes sense! :upside_down_face:

I haven’t been able to find a recent, updated maps, but older maps I’ve seen of homicides seemed consistent with the idea that it mostly happens in poorer/less white neighborhoods, yeah.