That’s true. Also Hollow Knight is part platformer, no? I do like the platforming in that game. In fact, one of my favorite parts of Hollow Knight was doing the Path of Pain. I wonder what about HK platforming I enjoy. I wonder if their are any “pure” platformers similar to how HK plays.
Hmm. Sure. I did play a bit before (around when it first came out). My issue with Silksong was getting used to the diagonal jumps. My brain treats it like HK and then keeps getting confused when I can’t pogo and stuff.
Do they just play the game and just wait to be comfortable with the game again? Or I assume they do stuff like practice various parts of a run again.
Mmm. ~yeah I’ve considered that. i want to do a steel soul run, maybe I could try that. I think the issue I ran into is that when I wanted to spontaneously play it again it was for stuff like Pantheon and Hall of the Gods and then it’s too hard.
Yes but HK doesn’t emphasize platforming as the primary type of gameplay, except in the White Palace (which you apparently liked. I did too).
For a pure platformer similar to HK, you could try an HK mod. I don’t know how many there are like that but there’s a very hard platformer one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pum1SmqEG68
Celeste is maybe a little similar (more similar than Mario) because it has air dash. Also something about the pacing and movement feel I guess. There is some overlap in HK and Celeste speedrunners and community. I think it’s pretty common that people like both games. They’re pretty different though.
lol just switch weapons. Did you avoid spoilers and quit before getting other weapons? Yeah the diagonal was hard for me to get used to too so I switched off it. There are two weapons with straight down pogos that you can get reasonably early in the game. One of them is similar to HK’s weapon but I actually used the other one more (it’s bigger but slower).
I can give you hints on where to get them if you tell me what you’ve done so far, maybe share a screenshot of your map, and you want low-spoiler hints. Or maybe you can just play knowing they’re there somewhere.
It varies. One thing they do is full game no-reset runs. Gotta practice everything some and it doesn’t make sense to reset over mistakes when derusting.
Steel Soul is hard if you’re rusty too! Just go play silksong when you want to derust since you have a lot of that game left.
Oh! I’ve watched his videos before. I’ve seen that mod, it looked interesting I may try it out.
Hmm. Ok. I’ll try it at some point but I think I had a bias against it because it looked floaty(?) to me (but I’ve never played it). Which is an issue I had with Super Meat Boy (which I have played). It felt very floaty and a little too responsive?
lmao ~yea. I didn’t know that.
I did avoid spoilers for the most part and the occasional clip I would see of Silksong at later parts had diagonal jumps so I just assumed it was like that for the whole game.
I’ll see. I only put a few hours into it before stopping, so I’ll put a bit more time into it before asking for any kind of help.
“There are only individual minds and individual achievements—and a culture is not the anonymous product of undifferentiated masses, but the sum of the intellectual achievements of individual men.” - [[The Return of the Primitive]]
Doesn’t it require breaking tradition to create tradition? By definition tradition would be something that has always been done. Idk. Something like how you cut noodles (Italy and the obsession over making their cuisine in a traditional way comes to mind). From what I can gather from the internet it seems to be controversial to break spaghetti up to eat it, yet there is one specific dish, Spaghetti all’assassina (I think, thats what Gemini says), that its “fine” to do. And that is the “traditional” way to do it. Yet that tradition would’nt have come about if someone hadn’t broken spaghetti.
This reminds me of the stuff at the beginning of the Fountainhead where Roark has the conversation with the Dean about stuff being sacred because of tradition and stuff.
“Of course, the rules of evidence cannot be established with total infallibility. Even when you have identified the broad principles, there are too many complexities in applying them to a given case.” - [[Objectively Speaking]]
I find it interesting that I can find a fair number of quotes of Miss Rand directly speaking about infallibility. I wonder what kind of misunderstanding happened to make Peikoff infallibilist. I think Peikoff would people the rules of evidence could be established infallibly.
“Uncertainty is the root of all progress and all growth. As the old adage goes, the man who believes he knows everything learns nothing. We cannot learn anything without first not knowing something. The more we admit we do not know, the more opportunities we gain to learn.” - [[The Subtle Art of Not Giving a Fck]]
That makes sense. If we believe some piece of knowledge to be final, let’s say we believe we know all we can know about cat biology, then there is no reason to search more and improve upon that knowledge. Improve on what? We have all we can know. Certainty seems anti-science and anti-progress.
“…the division of labor does not exist or function automatically. Its functioning crucially depends on the laws and institutions countries adopt.” - [[Capitalism]]
Seems like economics has a tie in with the law. Economics (can) tell us what laws to write for the economy.
“And while the linguistic analysts are busy demonstrating that “The cat is on the mat” does not mean that “the mat” is an attribute of “the cat,” nor that “on-the-mat” is the genus to which “the cat” belongs, nor yet that “the-cat” equals “on-the-mat”—is it any wonder that students storm the Berkeley campus with placards inscribed “Strike now, analyze later”? (This slogan is quoted by Professor Petersen in the Columbia University Forum.)” - [[Capitalism]]
Related to something I thought about linguistic analysts: Miss Rand claims (I trust her still compared to others, but idk mistakes can happen) that modern philosophers talk about stuff like how prepositions are not in reality. Really? I thought about this the other day doing some Japanese. You can see things being on top of each other. That gives the preposition on. Also, the reason it came to mind during Japanese is that Japanese (and presumably other languages) have words that function as prepositions. I don’t think all these languages could come up with something that doesn’t exist independently.
While I currently restarted my play through of Silksong , I wanted to think about what I liked about regular Hollow Knight.
I have around ~150 hours on steam playing Hollow Knight. I really really liked the game. At first I just liked the vibe and the ambience of the game. I remember chilling and eating food while going through the the City of Tears for the first time and Greenpath for the first time. It just felt chill. I think that’s one of the things I liked the most: it felt calm and relaxing to play. Outside of certain moments the overall game is relaxing to play. Along with that I liked how Hollow Knight embraces being difficult. Stuff like Steel Soul, the Path of Pain, and the Pantheons solidified this game as one of my favorites. It felt refreshing to play a game that embraces being hard (I like hard games, but I don’t like making games artificially hard. Why I’ve never liked Pokemon Nuzlockes).
Prepositions are about relationships. They aren’t things (nouns) themselves, nor simple traits (adjectives like “big” or “green”). They’re a little more abstract. But they make sense and connect to reality in a pretty straightforward way (at least for many uses; the prepositions used in a highly abstract discussion could be much more abstract than “on the mat”).
I’ve beaten all the basic pantheons with no bindings. I’ve gotten decently far in the pantheon of hollownest before, but I forgot how far (but definitely never beat it).
Do you mean the Hall of Gods? I beat all the bosses on the first floor on radiant. I’ve beaten all the bosses on the second floor regularly with a mix of some being beaten on ascended and others radiant.
If you can beat p4, you can definitely beat some of the bindings for p1, p2 and p3, especially using the easy-mode charm build: deep focus, quick focus, shape of unn, grubsong, and 1 flexible notch. You can do this while rusty because if you get hit twice you get back 30 soul and you need 33 souls to heal 2 masks, so you’re only losing 1.5 soul per time you get hit. You gain 11 soul per nail hit, so one nail hit will make up for being hit 7.33 times.
The problem with this build is bosses that hit for 2 masks from one hit. You can’t just get a hit a lot and heal through it like with most bosses. So pure vessel (in p4) is still hard. I had to practice failed champion (in p4) a fair amount to beat him too. But p1, p2 and p3 are pretty easy this way (don’t play awful on traitor lord or false knight cuz they can hit for 2 masks, but they are pretty easy bosses in general so it’s ok). For nail binding, it’s just slow but doesn’t really make it harder with this healing build. Soul and mask bindings are harder than nail binding for this build but still very doable. This build won’t work at all for the charm binding though. So doing this is another way you could derust.
I started practicing Pantheon 1 with no charms. I started off with that because my goal is to do it with all bindings and I think that particular binding would be the hardest to get used to. I don’t want to build some muscle memory (or whatever it is) from doing P1 with an OP charm build for the other bindings and then have to re-learn with no charms. P1 is quite easy and my first attempt no charm went ok. I struggled with the Brooding Mawlek but did beat him. I then lost to the brothers Oro and Mato. After that I’ve been practicing Mawlek and the brothers in the Hall of Gods. Mawley I’ve been close to doing no-hit with no charms, but the brothers have been hard. I’ve been able to beat them a few times but nothing that feels consistent (I could probably end up beating P1 after a few tries with that binding tbh). I think I have two issues: the time the fight takes and my lack of knowledge on the bosses patterns. Because of the no charms the fight just takes longer. I can’t just spam high-damage attacks while just doing a few dodges to get through the fight. I also struggle with multiple enemy fights. I understand both of the individuals brothers attack patterns. I don’t understand/have trouble following both the brothers fighting together (this is also why my least favorite boss in the game is the watcher knights, too many enemies).
IMO, doing small numbers of runs with different charm builds is good for understanding the game and won’t lead to much muscle memory. If you try a lot of charm builds, it’ll get you playing in more different styles, and then you may learn something from one style that you can apply to a different build or style. And I think it makes sense to do bindings individually and work your way up more incrementally instead of focusing on all bindings. And in general with games I don’t think you should reject OP things without trying them some (but it’s fine to decide they are OP or boring after you see what they’re like).
IMO watcher knights are a good, fun fight. I practiced them a lot to get my speedrun achievement (beat game in under 5 hours i think it was). I followed a pretty standard any% route so I fought them with basic fireball with shaman stone, and i can’t remember if I got 1 nail upgrade or not. You learn how to manage two at once with practice. It’s just a skill. To get the achievement, I practiced them in hall of the gods on another save otherwise I wouldn’t have finished in time. Oro and Mato I’m not as good at but they look fine to me.
mmm. i think thats fair. i mean i got to the end of p1 with no charms and i pretty much played the entire game trying various charm builds to max out my damage and make it easier. most of my muscle memory was built with charms in mind.
hmm. ok. tbh while i said i tried various charm builds above i mainly just tried various things as i got a new charm but my default built was just trying to maximize my nail damage. i barely used any kind of spell and arent too too comfortable with spells.
like do them all individually first (beat p1 with nails binding and then again with just mask binding etc.) and then add them on top of each other?
to clarify: the way i’m planning to pursue this is do no charms and then add a binding on top of no charms every time. im not doing all bindings all at once.
i don’t have anything against OP things. i tried figuring out OP nail charm builds to beat the game. its just i can’t use OP charms for no charms.
Maybe I just lack the skill in general? The watcher knight is my least favorite boss fight because of how many enemies it is. Nothing else really and I hate/struggle with multiple enemy boss fights in other games. I hate the Deacon fight (even though its very easy) and Demon Prince fight in DS3 because of the multiple enemies. Something about it stresses me out. Maybe I should practice following multiple enemies and stuff?
You may be able to get away with that for p1 but in general doing each binding individually before doing two together is more incremental. Also no charms is the hardest binding so an easier set of two or three bindings wouldn’t include it.
You’re basically skipping steps instead of ramping up difficulty in the smallest increments readily available. And you’re also getting a bit less variety (like not learning what charms help with the other 3 bindings).
I judged another debate tournament ~two weeks ago. Something else I noticed:
This tournament was particularly bad. All the judges were in consensus with how awful it was. Pretty much everyone was disappointed. I asked my old coach about it (he’s the one who keeps asking me to volunteer every year to judge). I told him how I noticed that ~half the students didn’t even seem to know the rules/structure of LD debate. (I mentioned before in the thread how there was an issue at a prior tournament about people sucking at the basics, but this wasn’t that. They didn’t even know the basics). He told me that half of the schools are being taught how to debate by someone who doesn’t know the rules. Essentially, this was regional debate. The two regions here are PDL (penninsula debate league) and TDL (tidewater debate league). The guy who ran TDL when I was in high school got sick and quit. Then COVID happened. And then they just found some random person to run it. She refuses to learn the rules/structure and apparently approaches debate in a more “traditional” way. Like how people debate normally. No real structure. Just saying various points. Trying to sound convincing. etc. I assume this will get addressed eventually but I doubt sports have this kind of issue. I’m sure there are minor variations on how sports are approached but I doubt there’s any real disagreements on the basic rules.
Since you’ve had issues with quitting and derusting/restarting being too hard, you really should be eager for ways to progress more easily, instead of resisting them and focusing on an ambitious plan. I think there’s some sort of important attitude mistake here.
~yeah probably. i think its a mix of things. i think i’m scared(?)/don’t like the idea that I’m wasting my time. in my head since I eventually do want to do all bindings might as well practice in a way i think is most beneficial towards that goal.
also I think this was discussed somewhat elsewhere on the forum but i think i fall into a trap of thinking i should be good already. i think what happens when practicing/de-rusting is that i’m fine doing easier stuff when i feel like i’m bad, but as soon as i feel kinda ok/good again (even if i’m actually not) i want to jump into hard things to optimize my time or whatever.
Are you familiar with cross-training? Athletes, including elite ones, typically do some of their training at other activities besides their main goal, on purpose.
I’ve heard of and am vaguely aware of it. I don’t follow sports at all. Though I am familiar with a fair bit of training/exercise stuff. Hmm. Scratch that I am familiar with a fair bit of weightlifting content. I was into strongman in high school. Never was consistent with working out, but I really like watching strongman and other weightlifting stuff.
Would cross-training apply to stuff like doing other lifts to support their main lift? I know thats a thing.
Yes, and also it’d be common for a weightlifter to do some other kinda training besides just secondary lifts or stretches, such as running, biking or swimming. Even professional chess players commonly do some lifting/sports/etc.
You may want to look up some info about this since you have a pretty narrow idea of how to train towards a goal.