# Theranos

**URL:** <https://discuss.criticalfallibilism.com/t/theranos/528>\
**Category:** Elliot Temple\
**Tags:** curiosity-video\
**Created:** [March 11, 2022, 8:08am UTC](https://discuss.criticalfallibilism.com/t/theranos/528 "2022-03-11T08:08:19Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 5\
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**Author:** ![Elliot](https://discuss.criticalfallibilism.com/user_avatar/discuss.criticalfallibilism.com/elliot/32/14_2.png) [@Elliot](https://discuss.criticalfallibilism.com/u/Elliot)\
**Post date:** [March 11, 2022, 8:08am UTC](https://discuss.criticalfallibilism.com/t/theranos/528/1 "2022-03-11T08:08:20Z")

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[![](https://discuss.criticalfallibilism.com/uploads/default/original/2X/6/63e8833cd2ecda23d87002f736cad55a4e804fbd.jpeg "Theranos") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hQ0kpqxHH8)

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**Author:** ![alanforr](https://discuss.criticalfallibilism.com/user_avatar/discuss.criticalfallibilism.com/alanforr/32/266_2.png) [@alanforr](https://discuss.criticalfallibilism.com/u/alanforr)\
**Post date:** [March 11, 2022, 11:46am UTC](https://discuss.criticalfallibilism.com/t/theranos/528/2 "2022-03-11T11:46:04Z")

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Here’s another example of fraud that wasn’t caught for a long time. A physicist called Jan Hendrik Schon was writing papers about experiments to test high temperature superconductors, but he was falsifying data:

[![](https://discuss.criticalfallibilism.com/uploads/default/original/2X/3/3138e2f6a9f96e57189e292ae770caba641199e8.jpeg "The man who almost faked his way to a Nobel Prize") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfDoml-Db64)

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**Author:** ![Elliot](https://discuss.criticalfallibilism.com/user_avatar/discuss.criticalfallibilism.com/elliot/32/14_2.png) [@Elliot](https://discuss.criticalfallibilism.com/u/Elliot)\
**Post date:** [March 16, 2022, 6:15am UTC](https://discuss.criticalfallibilism.com/t/theranos/528/3 "2022-03-16T06:15:16Z")

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I watched all 3 parts. The video creator doesn’t seem to know that he said science (in our society today) is bad, not just Schon is bad. What he said happened is really bad regarding academia, journals, what the scientific community is like, and what most individual scientists are like. It’s a big social hierarchy that operates a lot on gossip, reputation and office politics. They are playing status games and it’s making the actual science much worse.

It’s sad that the world is so bad. And I don’t think any of the other sciences are much better than physics.

They really, really need Paths Forward and better ways to get concerns answered short of fraud accusations but more serious than just privately asking Schon about issues and being stalled or lied to for months.

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**Author:** ![deroj](https://discuss.criticalfallibilism.com/user_avatar/discuss.criticalfallibilism.com/deroj/32/31_2.png) [@deroj](https://discuss.criticalfallibilism.com/u/deroj)\
**Post date:** [March 22, 2022, 7:45pm UTC](https://discuss.criticalfallibilism.com/t/theranos/528/4 "2022-03-22T19:45:17Z")

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There is a new Hulu tv series about Theranos / Holmes. Haven’t watched it.

> **[The Dropout (TV Mini Series 2022) - IMDb](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt10166622/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_1)**
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> The Dropout: Created by Elizabeth Meriwether. With Amanda Seyfried, Naveen Andrews, Michel Gill, William H. Macy. TV series that chronicles Theranos founder Elizabeth Holmes' attempt to revolutionize the healthcare industry after dropping out of...

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Trailer link:

[![](https://discuss.criticalfallibilism.com/uploads/default/original/2X/4/44507ddfb577f75da85126ab6cb659c7d3c666bc.jpeg "The Dropout | Trailer | Hulu") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7rlZLw9m10)

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**Author:** ![Elliot](https://discuss.criticalfallibilism.com/user_avatar/discuss.criticalfallibilism.com/elliot/32/14_2.png) [@Elliot](https://discuss.criticalfallibilism.com/u/Elliot)\
**Post date:** [November 18, 2022, 11:51pm UTC](https://discuss.criticalfallibilism.com/t/theranos/528/5 "2022-11-18T23:51:55Z")

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Relatively good news: Holmes got sentenced to 11.25 years in jail. Not nearly enough, but there were concerns she was going to get significantly less.