# Undermining (was: Curiosity – Caffeine Is Bad)

**URL:** https://discuss.criticalfallibilism.com/t/undermining-was-curiosity-caffeine-is-bad/1471
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**Tags:** social-dynamics
**Created:** [July 18, 2022, 4:36pm UTC](https://discuss.criticalfallibilism.com/t/undermining-was-curiosity-caffeine-is-bad/1471 "2022-07-18T16:36:45Z")
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### Author: ![Lebowski](https://discuss.criticalfallibilism.com/user_avatar/discuss.criticalfallibilism.com/lebowski/32/47_2.png) [@Lebowski](https://discuss.criticalfallibilism.com/u/Lebowski)
#### Post date: [July 31, 2022, 1:11am UTC](https://discuss.criticalfallibilism.com/t/undermining-was-curiosity-caffeine-is-bad/1471/20 "2022-07-31T01:11:19Z")

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Yes, approximately. Quotes:

> [@Curiosity – Caffeine Is Bad](https://discuss.criticalfallibilism.com/t/curiosity-caffeine-is-bad/1418/15):
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> What Elliot’s articles convinced me of is that I should pay more attention to caffeine than I had been, and re-examine if it is good or bad for me.

> [@Curiosity – Caffeine Is Bad](https://discuss.criticalfallibilism.com/t/curiosity-caffeine-is-bad/1418/11):
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> was about ready for an off-cycle on the intentional caffeine anyway, so I tapered off of it and the last day of intentional caffeine was July 3.
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> I’ve also avoided all large incidental caffeine sources since then. I have continued to consume small incidental caffeine at my normal rate.

I didn’t say again for a while that I hadn’t gone back on intentional and large incidental caffeine. We were discussing other things and I didn’t see a need to update since nothing had changed, but would have readily conveyed it if asked.

And I didn’t say in this thread I would have normally resumed intentional and large incidental caffeine around July 10, although in another thread I said:

> [@Caffeine, Drugs, Food Additives (and Inadequate Civilizations)](https://discuss.criticalfallibilism.com/t/caffeine-drugs-food-additives-and-inadequate-civilizations/1390/10):
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> But even that isn’t great. After a while (1-2 months) the effect diminishes and I start sleeping worse. I could up the caffeine at that point and probably get the effect back, but I already know that’d be an ultimately fruitless approach. So instead I taper off for a week or so.

and

> [@Caffeine, Drugs, Food Additives (and Inadequate Civilizations)](https://discuss.criticalfallibilism.com/t/caffeine-drugs-food-additives-and-inadequate-civilizations/1390/10):
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> Once I’m off then I can stay off for a while before the sensitivity comes back, but my sleep isn’t as good.

and then I had mentioned in this thread:

> [@Curiosity – Caffeine Is Bad](https://discuss.criticalfallibilism.com/t/curiosity-caffeine-is-bad/1418/11):
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> I’m starting to have sleep problems again

I can see how someone might not have put all that together and might wonder if I’d gone back on the major caffeine sources because of the sleep problems. But I don’t think I said anything that implied I actually had.

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