What Kind of World Do We Live In?

https://www.reddit.com/r/TwoXChromosomes/comments/1fpvm3a/men_treat_me_differently_now_i_no_longer_present/

I read through some comments. People are basically like “as a female, you can be ignored by most men or treated in a fake way, those are your choices”.

Looking at society more generally and ignoring gender issues, I wonder about how rare it is for anyone to actually engage with and take seriously someone else’s ideas, really listen and think about what they’re saying, etc. Like, does the typical person only get that from 0-10 people, usually only friends or family, in their lifetime? Are 0 and 1 the most common numbers? Do people usually only get it from peers or coworkers if they befriend those people first? I’m thinking about this in connection with the difficulty of getting anyone to participate in a serious, lengthy debate, which is a form of actually listening to other people’s ideas and taking them seriously. Maybe today it’s a lot to ask for someone to do that at all ever in their life, let alone with someone they disagree with and aren’t friends with (which is the typical scenario for debates). If taking people’s ideas seriously is rare and mostly only happens between friends/family, that’s a huge problem for science and some other fields where it should be happening a fair amount between people who work in the field who have disagreements or don’t personally work together.

Some people get famous enough to be studied by others, or they write a paper that gets a lot of citations and attention. That’s a type of getting serious attention, but if it’s just one or two papers, it’s often not thorough enough to do very much. And even someone very famous like Ayn Rand, while she got many thousands of people to spend a lot of time thoroughly studying her, she struggled to find anyone very good to talk with among all those people, who actually understood her points much. Similarly Leonard Peikoff, who I don’t think was a very good successor to Rand, himself has been unable to find any individual he thinks would be good to give Ayn Rand’s book copyrights to when he dies, even though he and Objectivism are certainly popular enough to get a lot of attention from a lot of people.