Controversial Asides

[anonymous105]

@anonymous45

In my discussing this (feminism, transgenderism, immigration issues, etc.), what do you think my goals are? Why am I doing it?

I don’t know and have not given it much thought up to this point. I didn’t enter these discussions with your goals in mind.

It’s possible you’re trying to expose yourself to different opinions to get some kind of sanity check for your views. Challenge yourself, see if your views make sense. I think you did explicitly mention something close to this during discussions of trans stuff & misogyny like 6ish months ago but I’m not going to go hunting for a quote right now. Also even if my memory is correct, that may have been an unintended effect, not sure if that was your goal going in or simply a result of the arguments after the fact. But this would be my first guess.

Also you might care a lot about the topics and consider them important to discuss. You might not have any particular interest in challenging your views, but that can still happen if you discuss something in good faith. So maybe your goal was just to put forth your views and persuade people.

If we trace back these discussions I think they largely originate with Elliot posting some video or other content that you have issues with, you post your issues, and then some kind of argument arises from that. Even this thread kinda has that same origin if you trace it back far enough, I think?

Did you have some other type of answer in mind w/this question or is this what you hoped for?

@anonymous45

@anonymous45

Another question I thought of the other day but haven’t asked, I think you described me as radicalized somewhere above, what exactly do you think I’m radical about? Like which views are radical and why? (Note: the ‘why’ doesn’t have to be long.)

Okay, so you didn’t quite answer the question I was intending. I also wanted you to say what you thought my views were. eg following the form: I think your view on X is Y and that view is radical because Z.

Lumping these together to properly set the framing. I’ll do a couple of more specific ones now.

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I think your view on trans people is that there is a good chance it is some sort of collection of bad ideas and/or mental illness, like anorexia. I don’t think you said this as a random hypothetical that you think is implausible:

@anonymous45

I think trans activists do have a bias about causality. Like if it turns out autistic girls (afab) aren’t actually more likely to be trans, just more likely to be groomed, well this would present a problem.

I think that view is radical because it demonizes trans people and frames them as grooming predators (and probably pedophiles.) This is a common framing one can find all over the internet in radical anti-trans spaces.

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I think your view on trans people is that many trans people are insane. I think this is radical because it demonizes trans people and denies them agency.

I think your view on trans people is that many trans people think that taking HRT turns one biologically into a woman, and this is preposterous.

@anonymous45

So, many trans people think that taking HRT turns you biologically into a woman. Insane, I know, but true. Majority? IDK, but as a minority they are loud.

I think this is radical because I do not think you really understand what they even mean when they say that; I do not think you could provide a very good definition of “biological woman” that A: is actionable by real people in real life, B: reliably excludes all trans women and C: reliably includes all cis women. So having such a strong opinion about it is largely just a way to delegitimize trans people and frame them as ridiculous and crazy.

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I think your view on Asmongold is that he is a useful/informative/interesting content creator, entertaining, and a good news source.

@anonymous45

@anonymous105

Edit: Do you think Asmongold is a useful/informative/insightful/interesting content creator?

he’s entertaining and a news source and the arguments are pretty blunt and common-sense oriented, so yes. I’m not sure there’s any other conservative commentator that I like more (except maybe on specific things).

I think this is radical because Asmongold says lots of radical stuff. And he is a self-admitted direct funnel towards some of the most radical extremists on the internet, such as Nick Fuentes.

https://x.com/cozygoyda/status/2059758349084959005?s=46

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I think your view on immigration is that the US (and presumably the UK and presumably all other countries broadly lumped into “the west”) should dramatically reduce immigration rates, e.g. down to 10% of current rates. Or 0% if that was practically feasible. You think this would be a good idea both socially and economically.

@anonymous45

@anonymous105

Can you clarify what you mean by “drop immigration” here?

Greatly reduce. Setting it to 0 is impractical and has way too much collateral damage, but I’d guess that western countries like the UK could reduce it to less than 10% of what it’s been over the past few years with mostly no issues (except for businesses that are like relying on importing lots of workers for low pay in exchange for visas or something). I do not count reduced growth or whatever as an issue; distorted markets are problematic and need corrections, so there’s going to be a penalty on our gdp either way.

It doesn’t even have to be permanent, but needs to placate the right.

This is such an obvious choice that it boggles my mind that anyone fights against it (besides politicians with bad economics and no ideas)

I think this is radical because it is economically destructive, xenophobic, and antithetical to American historical immigration. It is an illiberal position generally put forth by nationalists, who I generally consider radical.

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Like that? Are these more what you had in mind?