The following paragraph is about what to do with the goals that fail due to an issue:
First sentence:
The first clause now gets you thinking about your goals. That’s different than thinking what errors are causing you to fail your goal. You kind of gotta have an idea about how good your goals are I think. You gotta have an idea about how the goal is going to interact with an issue i think.
The line of thinking sounds effective cuz if you already got some goals that don’t fail cuz of an error then you can stick with that. You can use that goal maybe to succeed at a bigger goal. It can be like a sub-goal.
Next clause of the quoted sentence:
Hey, if you have a goal that doesn’t fail cuz of an issue then do that. The error isn’t causing you to not be successful.
I wonder what happens if you do have a goal in mind that fails cuz a problem. I think you can choose to make improvements there. That’s how you know which error to focus on?
“You might be fine,” maybe means you’re ok with it. Like, you might be ok with an outcome. That or it may mean that you’ll still succeed even tho you’re failing at some goals.
“failing at those things” means goals that failed due to an error. I think it means if you were to have those goals, you would fail at them.
Part of the quoted sentence above:
Those “goals” are I think the goals that don’t fail due to an error. You thought of goals you might have that don’t fail cuz of an error. Those are the goals you care about I think
The following is the third sentence of quoted paragraph I’m replying to:
“That’s” I think means failing at some goals you don’t have but succeeding at goals you care about.
“not failure” I think means like failure in total. It’s like a whole project of goals you had. You succeeded at all the goals you cared about.
“at all the goals you aimed for.” I think means like the goals you decided you had or cared about. Idk. ‘Aiming for something’ sounds more organized like you had a project about achieving those goals.
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The first sentence:
It’s so automatic for me to ask about the error I’m trying to fix for the goal. I never really thought about the goals that the error causes failure at. In a way, I don’t feel so stuck trying to solve the problem cuz the problem I think is bigger than I would think.
When asking this question:
That’s thinking about the goals that you would succeed at. You might be focusing too much on one goal where you probably have other goals that work just fine.
I never run into finding goals that work that are mine I think. If you try to find those goals, then you gotta know if the goal fails cuz of an error and then find if you have that goal. I don’t think that stuff is automatic for me
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Idk what “it” means. But I think it’s talking about the error like, “the error is for that goal and not for that other goal.”
I see it says
I think that means an error for a goal. I see that sentences end with a preposition when “which” is present
Yeah if you only had the goals that don’t fail cuz of the error then it’s not an error for those goals. When I think of error it’s like messing up or making a mistake. You don’t make a mistake or mess up if you succeed at your goals you were aiming for. I think there could be some confusion here tho like. im saying “your goals” but I thought we were talking about hypothetical goals?
I wanna think of some examples to look for goals that fail or succeed:
Let’s say im making a peanut butter and jelly sandwhich. I run into the error of dropping the spoon on the floor. I can’t use that spoon hygienically now. That error doesn’t cause failure at the goal of use another spoon in my cabinet. I don’t know why but I feel like im confusing goals with plans here.
Let’s say my goal is to make a pb and j again. I’m out of peanut butter. There’s an error I think of being out of peanut butter. Which goals does this error not cause failure at? Idk but I know the goal of using my pb fails cuz of the error…Wait I think the goal of making a pb & j with my current materials fail… That’s interesting that saying “my current materials” tells me to do something about them. I think that’s my goal guiding me where I can make improvements. Also the proper word is ingredients i think.
“This” means considering goals that the error causes failure at and goals that succeed anyway. Doing that requires the following:
It looks like you gotta think about a lot of clear goals. I wonder why so many goals?
I don’t know right off the bat what specifying a clear line between success and failure looks like.
I think the goal, “Walk outside for 5 minutes” probably specifies a clear line for between success or failure. As long as Im outside walking for at least 5 minutes then I’ll pass my goal. If I go inside my house before my time’s up then I’ll fail at the goal.
I think if you think of a lot of goals like that then you can tell if the error causes failure for any of them. If it doesn’t then that goal is fine.
Why do you think of a lot of goals tho? Idk but it seems like you do it to acccomplish a bigger goal. It seems like you’re trying to do a project. Why else would you be thinking about other goals? You’re trying to see if an error is important or not no? I don’t remember
The second sentence of the paragraph above:
What is a mindset shift? Thinking about many goals that the error may or may not cause failure at?
I think common thinking is, “why am I messing up so much on this goal I have?” Idk
Typical thinking about goals is stuff I hear probably all time like on social media probably. I think when I hear typical thinking about goals it’s like, “I want to lose weight this year.”
This part:
Sounds about right about what’s typical. Like, it sounds good to get a good dinner. The goal tho seems vague and not clear. It’s something like only the person saying the goal would know.
In the quote above, the goal would be, “Get a good dinner.” Saying “good dinner,” seems to save a lot words like
“get a dinner that doesn’t make me bloated” or “get a dinner that’s tasty” or “a dinner I’m craving rn.”
Intuitively, it seems challenging to say, “get a good dinner,” cuz my next thought is going to be like “how am I going to do that???” “I gotta figure this problem out.” I think it may make things hard to think of right off the bat. It makes thinking about what I want to eat not too easy to think of. Idk.
“That” is 'get a good dinner." I wonder if that goal being singular is a problem. I think it might be cuz the fact that the goal wording is using one adjective to describe the dinner. That’s ambiguous like “good” could mean a lot of things that are good. Good flavor, good price, good for health, etc.
It also seems that the goal being broad can be a problem. How? Idk What does it mean for the goal to be broad? I think broad might mean this merriam webster def:
I think the part that is broad is the “dinner” part. That could apply to anything like even breakfast food in a diner. Idk for sure if that’s the broad part.
It seems that people set up that one broad, singular goal then they try to manage it… Oh, they manage the project to achieve the goal.
I think the fact that there’s a project and there’s only one goal tells me something important. A project is made of steps and there could be errors in the project. You only have that one goal and if you run into an error then what’s going to happen? That goal may fail cuz of an error.
Idk how thinking of many clear goals fits here. I think if you have more goals then in the dinner-aquiring project then you would know where the error is causing failure. Idk for sure
I think that the one goal of getting dinner doesn’t have clear success or fail lines. Like, it doesn’t say what’s good about the dinner. The goal isn’t doing its job very well.
“Get sushi for dinner” is more specific cuz now we’re talking about what kind of food to get. Now we can tell if this goal fails cuz of an error. There could be an error like maybe being allergic to seafood. Now you know that sushi isn’t good for dinner.
Unlike the original broad goal, “Get sushi for dinner,” doesn’t really sound unclear. I know what sushi is and i know when dinner is. I’m not wondering “what kind of dinner?” or “what kind of food?” I’m not wondering “what do certain words in the goal mean?”
I thought, “Get pizza for dinner” and the other goals in the quote above were ideas that could or could not fail at a goal. I think any idea can be converted into a goal no? Idk about that.
The success criteria for this goal is unambiguous:
cuz if your receipt says 11 dollars then you failed. Or if you spend more than 10 dollars and you see that reflected on your bank then you failed. I think it may be better tho to talk about the goals more objectively. I wonder if it’s ok to say that a goal failed rather than you failed. These goals might not even be yours yet
Where is the unambiguous criteria in the quote above? Is it the critieria of spending under ten dollars?
Yeah, for the goals of “eat sushi for dinner” or “spend under $10 for dinner”, it’d be easy to judge if I failed or not. It’d be easy to judge if I succeeded.
What does “confidently judge” mean? I can tell without finding an error in my judgement? Like, I don’t see major problems like about the money in my bank, about how to count how much I spend, about what sushi is or not.
The dinner goals are the “get pizza for dinner” or “spend under $10 for dinner”. Those dinner goals are about as easy to identify common animals.
I think I see that if you’re good at something and you can judge that you can do it well to achieve a goal, then you can kinda know what goals you can take on or not. You can tell if an error is going to be important like to work on or if it’s gonna fail your goals. I think I see whats good about binary goals
I didn’t think about them as non-binary goals before, but I see you can call them that.
What are some binary goals I know of? Well, what’s a non-binary goal? I think that’s a goal that you can’t judge if you’ll succeed or fail easily…Idk actually. I think I kind of don’t know what a binary goal is. If I apply the ‘non-binary’ part to those goals then id know.
I think non-binary goals off the rip are goals I usually have where I don’t complete often. Im somewhat successful at them but still fail. Non-binary goals are kind of ambiguous like they don’t tell you success criteria all that well.
I thought maybe beat the enderdragon in minecraft without enchantements is like a non-binary goal cuz it seems like im gonna fail but be successful after some time. I think that goal is good cuz im specific about what counts as success. Just not how. Idk
I think having a goal about writing on CF everyday may be non-binary and I have tht. I think it may be good cuz sometimes I don’t write too many words but i make lots of posts. Other times I dont post a lot but write lots of words. The non-binary goal is “good” cuz I get to adjust what I want to do just in case certain things happen.
Also I read little bit of Introduction to Critical Fallibilism about binary goals . I did tht before writing the last paragraph of this reply to help me get binary goals.
Edit: in the paragraph above this edit, where I say “the last paragraph of this reply” I mean the paragraph about writing a lot on CF
“Have a good dinner tonight” I think is kinda good cuz I don’t know what im craving yet until I see what I want to have. “Good” will mean something in the future when i pick it. Like, getting a good deal or having something taste really good or have a good time with a friend. The goal seems flexible
Another non-binary goal is “Get good at a game.” I could be good enough to beat the game or play on the hardest difficulty while doing a personal challenge. I could pick one of those as I start and play the game. The goal seems flexible. Only thing I notice is i might make it too hard and quit
Another non-binary goal is “become rich” I don’t even know if im going to succeed while doing a get rich project. I could keep doing it in the hopes of being rich but will i get there? Idk. I think probably the good about that is that i might be learning a lot of skills and getting out of my comfort zone. But besides tht i dont know
I see that this question asks if I can define “binary goal” and “binary”. I don’t think I can define those, like it’s hard to do. I don’t think I’m really good at english like that.
I see that the question is in response to me comparing a minecraft goal to a non-binary goal. The question is about the topic of definitions. I think if I knew the definition of those words then maybe I wouldn’t struggle to identify binary/non-binary goals.
Questions I have is how do you define something? What does defining something show about the concept you’re learning? Is getting definitions right important for understanding something?
You can think of many goals, evaluate which plans/solutions will succeed and fail at which goals, and decide which goals you’ll actually pursue in your life. That’s a big improvement over having one vague goal. Deciding on clear goals, and using binary goals (goals that label all outcomes as either success or failure), lets you figure out which issues/problems/errors are actually relevant and important.
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I wonder how many is “many goals”? Also, why are we thinking about many goals? I think it’s probably cuz we got a bigger goal at hand that we want to accomplish. I think it’s for a project. Maybe a mini-project but a regular sized project.
When the sentence says:
I think that’s the first time I’ve seen “evaluate” in the article. It seems after control + f ing, that’s the only time that “evaluate” is mentioned.
You do the step above after thinking about many clear goals. Oh ok, you don’t necessarily right away think about all the success and failure of each goal. You could probably tho.
I notice in the quote above that there’s “plans/solutions” I think using those is how you can tell if a goal will fail cuz of an error? I don’t see how seeing if a goal will pass or fail cuz of an error is related to evaluating which plans/solutions will fail at which goals. They sound like different things
I see the format of the quote above: which x will fail or succeed at which y. X is plans/solutions and y is goals. That all means that when you think of goals, you’re going to see if your plans/solutions for a goal are going to fail. After doing that now you know which plans/solutions are going to fail for that goal. If you find that out for all the goals then you can do what’s said in the quote above.
Edit: The collapsed paragraph is from “Judging and Fixing Your Own Errors”