What are some good books, articles, or education material on ethical sales and marketing techniques?
I haven’t read much PUA stuff. Are these kinds of sales techniques combarably manipulative to legit PUA? Or, does PUA have a more ethical way of persuasion?
Are PUA materials a good source for ideas about sales?
Quotes from article:
But why would asking about a person’s name be bothersome?
Asking about John Galt force’s people to confront the reason society is crumbling. It jolts people out of evading they knowledge that the motor that runs world is going away. In Eddie’s case, I think he just wants to be able to work and contribute to Tagart Transcontinental without having to worry about what’s going on with society. He wouldn’t know what to do about the problem even if he were to try and face it head on.
What kind of beggar isn’t interested in whether he gets money?
The beggar isn’t interested because he doesn’t really want to live. His fear of death is not a desire to live. And money is losing its proper place in the world as more and more of it is being grafted by the looters. Money can’t buy products of the mind so it’s not worth having.
In what kind of world does an intelligent person end up as a beggar? And how does that world compare to our own world?
An intelligent person ends up as a beggar in a world which doesn’t value the mind. There’s no role for people who want to think of ways to make things better because their progress is stopped by people take production and creation for granted. It’s a world where you can’t improve your life by thinking. If you do build something up, someone will just come take it from you by force. Your property right’s are not secure, so you have no way to secure the things needed to sustain your life.
That world is not exactly like our world but there are similarities. I guess, a lot of the differences are a matter of degree. There are still a decent number of people stiving to create wealth in our world but there are probably lots of people who have given up because their particular plans were squashed, or what they would have done in a free society just doesn’t exist in our world.
What low standards Eddie has to consider a street prosperous when around 20-25% of the stores are out of business! And this is New York City! Just like in real life, it’s one of the best cities…
That makes me think about how the Rust Belt of America has been hallowed out and cities in the Midwest that used to make so many things don’t do as much manufacturing. A lot of people accept that the lost of economic opportunity in America is just an inevitable step in path toward automation and globalization.
And why is Eddie clinging to memories instead of making his present life great?
Eddie is stuck on some problems that he doesn’t know how to solve. The problems with the world are bigger than any of the surface level degradation. The real problem is philosophical.
What do you think is great?
I think creating new knowledge is great. I think technology is great. I think producing things that people value enough to trade for is great.
The hero is more interested in railroads than winning battles, saving people from fires, climbing mountains, or Sunday sermons. Is she right?
She is right to focus on creating things that she values. Battles aren’t a central or necessary part of life. Creation is central and necessary. Saving people is good but it’s not the point of life either. You can make a better world where less people need saving. Climbing mountains can be novel or fun but it’s not enough to sustain one’s existence nor enough to make one what to sustain their own existence. Sunday sermons are attempts to deliver values rather than choosing values that will make you happy and proud to live. Expanding and developing the railroads are Dagny’s goal. She knows why this goal is good for her. The railroads are an excercise in creativity and the effort put into them multiplies so that she will have more resources to create even more.
I feel like a lot of sales stuff is like that. The way I’ve heard a lot of sales stuff/methods being communicated makes it sound like the salesmen are doing rational methods of communication.
Kinda of related is how much of sales stuff (from what I’ve seen) is based on getting the sale and not necessarily giving something of value. The way it’s sometimes communicated feels like giving something of value is a nice thing to have but it’s not necessary when it comes to sales.
This link doesn’t seem to work anymore?
“and before you hate on these creators recognize that they’re just trying to make a living
and in any creative field unfortunately sometimes you have to do free work before you get paid”
in the last 10 seconds or so
This is confusing. The way this last thing is said makes it sound like creators are getting hate for doing free work for companies that never asked for it? From what I get people would hate these creators for lying, doing unfavorable brand promotions and stuff, etc. I don’t think people would hate creators for doing free work per se. Maybe she was referring to free work making paid work less paid? Wasn’t too clear.
I wonder how valid the experiment was in the first place for Baker-Miller pink. Regardless, its kind of crazy how comfortable people are with suppressing results if what she said was true. Like reality isn’t going to alter itself if you knew there were problems. I guess he got his fame though so it worked out for what his goal assumedly was.
How so?
She does give a lot of examples of people not being that smart with how technology works. I assume to contradict tech glorification (I don’t think thats the best way to put it, but idk) statements like meetings will be in the metaverse. Does rationalism here mean the view that people are very rational? I’m only loosely familiar with the idea in philosophy but I thought it meant something like only the mind mattered in philosophy not the body.
No it basically means using bad methods while claiming to be rational. The methods often ignore reality or have some kind of superficial similarity to rationality.
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Kinda sad how people were that interested in the negative thing she did.
I think part of the reason people get so caught up in mistakes like that (at least from my personal experience) is that they take the mistake out of context and the mistake is the only thing on their mind. If they hear mom did bad thing, the bad thing is the only thing in their mind and it colors the whole view of the mom.
Mmm. Its kind of like how if someone tells you about their partners doing bad stuff you may think to yourself stuff along the lines of the partner is toxic, they should break up, etc. Yet you may have someone you know who has the same issues, but because you know them better (or at least I think thats why) your knowledge of the negative things doesn’t make you hate them.
Yeah, Its weird. Its surprisingly common (surprising to me I guess). I’ve worked with quite a few teenage girls and I’m always surprised that they always have a story about guys being creeps. After hearing stories I’m also able to better notice some guys being a bit weird to my female coworkers (teen or not).
Yikes. Watched the first part and it sounds about right tbh. The manager saying you should take one for the team triggered something in me. Crappy managers always use that. I actually just had a coworker quit on the spot because of some issues with how our current manager handles thing and how she was told to just take one for the team.
In my previous job before Starbucks my manager at the time also ignored sexual harassment stuff to some female coworkers. Or, well, more precisely: i was told that. Some female rehires shared with me some stores about him before quitting again.
i dont have much to say on copyright and stuff, but man i rarely find a robot or ai customer service helpful. though i heard sometimes the customer service rep in a chat is a.i. and sometimes those are good. maybe most just suck.
Why’d you dislike the last 5?
I do think they were kind of weird. The first seven made a good point I felt. The last five felt like a weird sarcastic point but it was unrealistic, so it kinda missed the mark for me.
Huh, That was just sad. I always find it weird to hear stories of girls getting shamed for their appearance from a young age from their parents. I remember a while back a friend of mines mom told his sister that her wearing jeans made her look like a slut or something. Odd.
Mmm. I don’t know what to make of most discussions of race and stuff online (and I guess outside of the internet too). I guess cause I know racism can be a problem/is a problem, but I find it difficult to think that many people can be racist.
I liked this article. I find it convincing too. I liked this bit:
The first real intellectuals that most children meet in person are their college professors—already at eighteen and stuck in a class with dozens of other people (even at Harvard, introductory courses are often in the hundreds). Is it any surprise that such methods don’t reliably produce geniuses? Is it not anathema to how humans normally become interested in things? We sequestered children from great minds, and, perhaps it’s worth briefly noting, we also sequestered great minds from children.
Yet, for such a start-up the problem is obvious: tutoring highlights economic privilege.
I don’t like the idea of avoiding tutoring rich kids because that’s unequal. I don’t think inequality in that sense is bad. I think only equality in a political sense is bad. What does a rich kid having tutors prevent poor kids having? I don’t think there is a trade off there. Wanting rich kids to not have tutoring because others cant afford them just seems to make everyone worse off imo.
This sounds like a good book.
I haven’t watched the video yet but I found your reaction slightly entertaining and I laughed. I guess I just was surprised to see April Fools day being taken seriously, or something haha. Anyway I’ll watch the video now.
Jeez okay yeah these are bad. The Israeli officer one was bad. That’s like a straight up hoax that could’ve provoked war. Super dumb.
I was thinking of April fools as being like dorky and that it’s meant to be relatively easy to tell it was a joke. Like the presenter says “lighthearted fun”. Not like falsifying intelligence documents.
I get surprised about how the mindset behind superstition still exists. Like it seems like something that would’ve died out.
People seem aware of it sometimes too. Like on one hand they think they know superstition is wrong but they cant shake some ideas about it.
Didn’t know what the DSM is. I thought it might be a government agency.
Oh it means:
The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM)
So for the insurance company to pay for the therapy, the therapists have to make a diagnosis? Couldn’t the client pay for the therapy if there was no diagnosis?
I guess yeah a therapist that didn’t agree with pathologising people’s problems, and that didn’t agree with the DSM, wouldn’t be able to have their clients’s insurance cover their visit. That might make it harder for them to get clients because clients may have insurance for therapy.
i think a result of this would be lots and lots of unnecessary (edit:typo) diagnosis for mental illness. Which I think is what happens in the world.