Milton Friedman and Maximizing Profits

Summary

Corporate executives would act against the interest of the business if they were to act on social responsibility. They would be imposing taxes on other people involved in the business if they use resources for social objectives. They would also decide how the tax money is spent. This is wrong on political principle; these are government functions (not really mentioned by Friedman: it implies coercion). Consequences would be: the corporate executives are not experts on social spending, and they would be outcompeted on the free market. Business using the political mechanism is like collectivism in philosophy and would pave the way for socialism. Thus the only social responsibility is to maximize profits in free competition without deception or fraud.

Outline

  • social responsibility is against the interest of the business
    • the ones taking on the responsibility would be imposing taxes on the other people in the business and then deciding how the taxes are spent
      • this is wrong in two ways
        • political principle: these are government functions, it is using the political mechanism
          • acceptance of social responsibility is thus accepting the political mechanism more generally, it will lead to collectivism
        • has bad consequences:
          • the people spending the taxes are not experts on social objective spending
          • the business would be outcompeted by businesses not adhering to social responsibilities
        • thus the business only has the social responsibility to maximize profits in free competition without deception or fraud

Comments

In fact they are—or would be if they or any one else took them seriously— preaching pure and unadulterated socialism.

I would think the type of social responsibilities the businessmen were preaching were benefiting socialism.


A group of persons might establish a corporation for an eleemosynary purpose—for example, a hospital or school. The manager of such a corporation will not have money profit as his objective but the rendering of certain services.

In either case, the key point is that, in his capacity as a corporate executive, the manager is the agent of the individuals who own the corporation or establish the eleemosynary institution, and his primary responsibility is to them.

Friedman agrees that businesses may have other primary goals than profit. I don’t understand why he considers it a responsibility to maximize profits then. The next paragraph:

Needless to say, this does not mean that it is easy to judge how well he is performing his task. But at least the criterion of performance is straightforward, and the persons among whom a voluntary contractual arrangement exists are clearly defined.

I’m not sure whether he’s implying that profit is the best criterion of performance for businesses with eleemosynary purposes or not.


IN a free‐enterprise, private‐property system, a corporate executive is an employe of the owners of the business. He has direct responsibility to his employers.

That makes sense.

But in these respects he is acting as a principal, not an agent; he is spending his own money or time or energy, not the money of his employers or the time or energy he has contracted to devote to their purposes. If these are “social responsibilities,” they are the social responsibilities of individuals, not of business.

Right. The CEO’s responsibility to his employers is to perform his job. He has other responsibilities in his free time.


The stockholders or the customers or the employes could separately spend their own money on the particular action if they wished to do so. The executive is exercising a distinct “social responsibility,” rather than serving as an agent of the stockholders or the customers or the employes, only if he spends the money in a different way than they would have spent it.

But if he does this, he is in effect imposing taxes, on the one hand, and deciding how the tax proceeds shall be spent, on the other.

I don’t think we can think of this as a tax unless we think of it as embezzlement. If the CEO spends the money for social benefit instead of for his own self-interest, it is still embezzlement if the money was spent without the permission of the business.

If the stockholders agrees about the social benefit spending with the CEO, then they aren’t imposing taxes on the employees and customers. The interaction should be voluntary and the employees and customers can therefore choose not to be involved. If they can choose not to get involved then they aren’t forced to pay. What about VATs, sales tax and other consumption taxes then? hmm, perhaps it is a tax? I assume the business and customer shares the burden of a VAT. Those taxes are forced, but the business spending on social benefits is proposing a deal where some of the money goes toward the social benefit spending. Are all conditions that result in higher prices for employees/customers a tax? I think taxes are a narrower concept necessarily involving politics. A voluntary business interaction involving conditions causing a price increase isn’t political.

This is the basic reason why the doctrine of “social responsibility” involves the acceptance of the socialist view that political mechanisms, not market mechanisms, are the appropriate way to determine the allocation of scarce resources to alternative uses.

On the level of political principle, the imposition of taxes and the expenditure of tax proceeds are governmental functions. We have established elaborate constitutional, parliamentary and judicial provisions to control these functions,

Friedman is saying that it is literally imposing taxes, not just as a metaphor. Otherwise he wouldn’t bring up government and the constitution.

On the one hand, suppose he could get away with spending the stockholders’ or customers’ or employes’ money.

So it is embezzlement.


In the present climate of opinion, with its widespread aversion to “capitalism,” “profits,” the “soulless corporation” and so on, this is one way for a corporation to generate goodwill as a by‐product of expenditures that are entirely justified in its own self‐interest.

I think Friedman is trying to defend self-interested profit motive against calls for self-sacrificial social responsibilities. I think Rand and Mises would agree.


Possible tactic of socialists:

  • claim business has social responsibility to improve environment, fight poverty, fund art, etc.
  • let those business that try lose in competition
  • point out business isn’t fulfilling their moral responsibilities
  • suggest regulation and taxes to implement the social benefits instead

I don’t thinking increasing profits is a social responsibility, so I disagree. But I think maximizing profits is fine as the sole goal of a business (so long as you aren’t adversarial or breaking the law).

Most likely yes. Like it seems Reisman does (I haven’t done more research on what Reisman thinks or what Amazon is like outside of reading your article that I linked).

Your question makes me think you think Friedman says the CEO should disregard his conscience at work.

He may feel Impelled by these responsibilities to devote part of his income to causes he regards as worthy, to refuse to work for particular corporations, even to leave his job, for example, to join his country’s armed forces. [Bolds added by ActiveMind]

I think the bolded parts shows that Friedman says the conscience of the CEO should guide his action at work, so much so that he might have to quit the job.

Then it says that this responsibility to his conscience is a responsibility to him as an individual, not a responsibility of the business.

Do you think that treating profit as a primary goal is bad?

Did Dagny Taggart, Hank Rearden or Howard Roark maximize profits?

No. Roark could have compromised on his artistic vision to earn more money, he could have built the building for the Manhattan Bank Company at the end of part 1. I can’t think of concrete examples for Dagny or Rearden, but they could have gotten more involved with the government? Do you have any examples?

I was thinking of profit maximization and having profit as the sole goal to be the same thing. However I think you mean that maximization implies seeking subsidies, doing fraud when you can get away with it, being adversarial, disregard ethics, etc. In that case I’m not for profit maximization. Any ethical conviction should come before making profit.

I think you should pretty much act as if the market is free. Only engage in cronyism when absolutely necessary, never be adversarial towards customers, don’t do fraud even if you can get away with it. But I think you can run a company for the sole purpose of making profit and not for the purpose of creating the best product, providing the best workplace, providing the cheapest price for customers, etc.

Is this how you’re using the word?:

It reflects the first OED definition:

make as large or great as possible: the company was aiming to maximize profits.

I’m wondering if the issue is that I am interpreting the concept of ‘possible’ loosely. The first OED definition of ‘possible’ is:

able to be done or achieved: surely it’s not possible for a man to live so long? | contact me as soon as possible | I’d like the report this afternoon, if possible.

What is ‘able to be done’, strictly, is an issue of the laws of physics. This is the strictest sense of possible that I know.

And I think that’s a different sense than I meant it. I meant something more like: what is attainable under the circumstances and without compromising on your other goals.

Is that your issue with my use of maximize?

What does maximizing two things mean?

Increasing each thing as much as possible.

Which maximizes x and y?

  1. x=5,y=5
  2. x=4,y=10
  3. x=11,y=1

EDIT: Numbered the options and increased the third x by 1.

Hmm. I suppose:

x=5,y=5

but this seems doesn’t seem as good as:

x=4,y=10

which is only a little less x, but a lot more y.

How would that be? Neither x, y nor the combined score is the most among the three options.

Do you (or anyone else reading this) think you know the answer? Go ahead and say it (including your reasoning) if so.

Note I edited the problem slightly.

So you don’t have any clear, specific way to decide which one is the maximum?

Do you think there is or should be a clear, specific way to decide the maximum? If so, try looking it up. See if you can find an answer somewhere that would help you reach an answer you can be confident about.

Are there any particular Ayn Rand characters that you think were clearly trying to maximize profit?

What do you think the relevant definition of “tax” is?

My answer is 1 maximizes x and y. I think if the question asked maximize x then it would 3, and if the question asked maximize y it would be 2.

The reasoning is a little hard for me to express, but I think the “and” in the question is important. The x value of 4 in 2.) is less than the x values of 1.) and 3.), so that makes it worse than the other options. The same thing goes for the y in option three its less than the y in 2.) and 1.). 1.) doesnt have that issue.

Also, idk if you’re supposed to add each x and y and find the highest total of the three options.

2.)

In order to pick a maximum we have to convert the pairs into a single value such that they can be compared. The common sense way to convert a pair of numbers is to sum them. 2.) has the highest sum so I think it’s that one.

You can use other functions to convert them to a single value. Like taking the absolute difference of the pairs, or taking the highest value in the pair. In those cases the questions would be more specific. They would be: “which maximizes the absolute difference between x and y?”, and “which maximizes the highest value for any variable?”.

Not in the way I used “maximization” (of profits) here:

But having profit as primary goal of their business? Not sure.